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Mes-rs in Montreal Gazette) OMWWA, April ill-Salaries and personal expenses of officials of the Canadian National Railways were the storm centre of Thurs- day's meeting of the House commit- tee on national railways and ship- ping which is considering the an- nual report and estimates of the railway. When Dr. P. M. McGib- bon (Conservative, Muskoka), told the committee he had heard it said ' that all of the total expense bill of nearly $2,000,000 for officials in the Yell" 1930 may not have been disbursed by these officials, Sir Henry Thornton, President, entered a strong protest. Most of today's sitting waToc- cupied with disclosure of inform- ation obtained by the House corri- mittes last yesr about these salar- ies and expenses and also gather- ed by a special committee of the and presented details of informa- tion on the past five months oper- ations. Several membee became involved in s dispute as to wheth. er [or not this detailed information should be made public, the chair- man, B. B. Hanson (York-Sunb y) ruling there could be no objection to their disclosure. Three Liber- al members of the committa- Hon. W. D. Euler (North Water- loo). Ross W. Gray, (West Lamb. l0"). and Arthur W. L. Beaubien (Provencherl-strongly opposed is, H9111‘! Thornton's salary and 9mg- thst in 1030 it amounted altogeth- 01‘ t0 8148.000, made ‘in part o1 __$75.°09 Illflry as president of the Canadian, National Railways and its subsidiaries. He also provoked ‘discussion on three extra allow- "IWI DBid to Sir Henry on account of his heading subsidiary compgn- itl- Mr- Boys said this had been mvtlitissted sud it was decided, BM Bir- Henry had agreed. that U19 $5.000 per annum each for ch-imlanshlp oi’ the Central Ver- mont snd the Grand Trunk West- em Railways should no longer be Mid. but that owing to the fact ' that the Ontario car fen-y, opemt- in: between Cobourg and char. lotto, was only partly controlled by the Canadian National the $5,- 000 accruing to Bir Henry from that post could not be interfered with. RESIDENCE PURCHASED rui- new, m. when m. McGib-i bon told the committee about in- formation discussed at the private meetings of the committee last ses- siouinregardtotheactionoftbe “ y company purchasing a re- sidence for the president of the road. The figure was mentioned and there was criticism of the company for its action. Then fol- idwed ‘mother little storm when the chairman, Mr. Hanson brought up the question of the pension sys- tem and said that one official had received a pension of 010,000 per snnum after he had been discharg- ed forqincompetencc." Early in the proceedings the chairman (R. B. Hanson, Conserv- ative, York-Sunbury), informed the committee of the completion of a report. dated February 16, 1982; to the ‘Minister of Railways, signed by a committee of the directorate with W. A. Boys, K.0., of Barrie, as chairman, in which they make a return to the House committee on railways and shipping. The plain this report to the committee. Mr. Boys stated at the outset that two members of tbe executive, the president, Sir Henry ‘nicrntcn, sad the vice-president, Gerard ltuchbcing personally concerned in certain matters, asked to be reliev- ed and did not act. The committee of the directorate dealt with six questions of which disbursements proved thc most contentious at to- day's sitting. ' . . Dr. Peter scisseoibbon (Con- servative, Musboka). stated: “We got frcmthe committee last year for the period of i080. for meals, hotels, sleeping cars and other out- lays a total expenditure of $1,002,- m." ur. lioys. commenting on this itemgresd from the report of this sub-committee as follows: "with regard ’ to payments heretofore for travelling, hotel and Otlilfiflllial, we are of opinion he! thin-has been some miscon- 1V. R. Official Salaries I And Expenses Proved __ Storm Centre At Ottatild. . a ' i . Liberal Members Of House Committee Urg directorate of the road headed by W. A. Boys, 8.0., who was present Of Expenditures Of od of dealing with the same where- by the officers of the company are required to pay their expenses in ,the first instance and render an ‘account therefor, and reimburse- ment is not made until the vice- prssident in charge of finance ex- amines and recommends payment of that account." Asked by m. McGibbon w give the committee an idea of the sav- ‘was by this method. Mr. Boys said this raised the question so often discussed in Parliament as to the extent that information dealing with matters of the kind should be given to the public. "I have been given to understand that the in- formation which Dr. McGibbon has referred to was given in confidence last year," said Mr. Boys. Dr. McGibbon: "It was not. I dispute that. It was not given in confidence." The chairman saw no reason why publicity should not be glvcn to matters concerning the 0N3. and Dr. McGibbon then moved that the railway officials of Mr. Boys furnish the committee with photostatio copies of the expense accounts of 0.10.8. officials for the l2 months Just ended. The Mus- koka member added that the ac- counts could only be judged pro- perly after they were presented to the parliamentary committee and said "it looks to me an enormous bill, almost 82,000,000 for meals, berths, etc. ,especially when you consider that the officials travel on ‘ At" another stage Dr. McGibbon passes and have a frank for tole- bmusht up the question of sir grams." Sir Henry ‘Thornton: "No offi- luments and told the committee cars hold sleeping car passes, they THE CHARLOTTETOWN, UARDIAN cisls as follows: For meals. $844.- 000: hotels and lodsinelrtflwm: sleeping cars, 0188.100; fares ‘$10,124; telegrams. 811.586: other expenses, not detailed. $600.- 166, total $1,952,189. 000,000 expense accounts," mented Dr. llcGibbon. the year 1930.” MacMlllsn, Conservative. total was about 3.500. should have paid their own?" North American continent." Dr. McGlbbon-"It was the Drac- tice of charging $100,000 club dues, Wasn't it?" Sir Henry-"No, the amount was materially less than that." Mr. Fairweather added that. "this figure should not be treated in the light of recurring expense, that the recurring items never amount- ed to anything like $100,000." Asked by the chairman if this practice had been discontinued, Mr. Boys stated: “We have dealt with that ourselves. There was present- edto the committee for Pa? their fires 0n the 0011mm B-mlftion club dues for this year amount- g- slccpins cars and pay for their ‘ing to $10,000. we decided that no mo!!! 1n thfl 01111118 0N’! I110 ll lclub dues whatever were going to all hotels of the company." Sir Henry at the request of the chairman, explained what had been the previous practice of the com- pany before the Boys sub-commit- tee studied the accounting methods and than said: “A railway is dif- ferent from a manufacturing plant, in that most of its officers an rc- quired to cover considerable dis- tances. The very nature of a rail- road necessitates considerable tra- velling on the part of train mas- ters, superintendents and other officials.” On the suggestion of the Minis- ter of Railways, Hon. Dr. Manion, Dr. McGibbon gave to the commit- lbs paid in the future, except in special cases which were to be brought before the executive com- 'mittoe and passed on by them." At this stage three Liberal mem- bers of the committee, Hon. W. D. Euler (North Waterloo), Ross W. Gray (West Lambton), and Arthur L. Beaubien (Brovencher) protest- ed against the proposal to divulge and broadcast details of expendi- tures by officials of ‘the Canadian National and when Mfr. Euler ask- ed Mr. Boys what his personal view of this was, the latter declar- ed: “It is not in the interests of the railway company that these teethedetailsofthetotslofnfll- ly 02,000,000 in expenses o! cm- rsilwl? “Almost 8i.- com- 11mm . railway that is in rec in! from N1 operating standpoint. That is for‘ Replying to a question by Frank Saska- toon. C. W. Fairwecther. a QNR. official, stated that the average number of officials involved in this Dr. McGibbon-“We are not dis- puting the correctness of the ao- count. What I want to ‘know is if this should properly be charged to the C.N.lt. or if private individuals Sir Henry Thomton—"You can- not expect, nor is it the practice in the railway world anywhere to ex- pect oificers who are travelling on company business to pay their own expenses. As far as I am able to Judge the practice followed by the Canadian National ls precisely that followed by every rsilwsy on the details should be broadcast throughout Canada.” Bir Henry Thornton than took strong exception to e. suggestion Pflviflllsly made by Dr. McGibbon that some of the expense money may not have been disbursed by officials at all. To this Dr. Mc- Ctibbon rctorted: have heard that disputpd," Bir Henry-"Ihe inference being that the Officers we" knocking down part of their expense w- counts and putting it in their peep- etsf" Dr. McGibbon: “Not necessarily. There might have been other ao- wvnil charsed up. For instance, their family accounts might have been charged up." DEFENDS OFFICERS 5|!‘ HfllrY-"I simply want to make this statement, and I am now speaking on behalf of the officers of the company, r have had more than 30 years’ experience on var- ious railroads in three different countries, and I can say without hesitation that I know of no rail- way company which is officcred by men who are more honest, more capable, more loyal, more enthu- siastic and more moved by patriot- ic feelings than thosc employed by the Canadian National Railways." In his , against baring de- tails of expenditure by officials of the 0.N.R. Mr. Euler said “I sub- mit that we are going farther than we should when we inquire into small, intimate details of the con- duct of this railway. It can hardly be in the interests of the railway itself or this committee to delve into little items of expenditure iwhich may be published far and 'wicle and tend to destroy confid- ence in the National Railways. Everyone of us, whether we are opposed to or in favor of public ownership, certainly does not dc- sire to do anything that would in- lure the railway, yet that result will assuredly follow if we destroy confidence in it." Similar views were expressed by Messrs. Gray and Beaubien (Liberals) and when the latter said "Surely these ex- penses are legitimate, and surely railway officials are entitled to travel in a proper way," Dr. Mc- A. L i "Quite true, I < NEW DESIGN ERE is chinawarc such as you would buy for best occasions and be proud to show. Alarge handsome piece comes in every package of Quick Quaker Oats marked “chinaware." 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Dr. McOibbon: "You are misre- mg.» Sir Henry Thornton concluded his defence of the railway officials by declaring that he must chal- lenge any statement which reflect- ed on their honor and loyalty, and this challenge brought a warm re- i of $000,000 as compared with 1000, ply from Dr. McGibbon. ""1 object ,ln the gross expenses incurred on 81511911817 t0 V01! but“!!! WOW-ll in travel on the company's ‘ ' . my mouth." ‘exclaimed Dr. McGib- bon. "I did not say that officers ton told the committee that “pro- of the company were pursuing any course other than that which was entirely honorable. I said I heard it. I did not say it was true. If we get the details we will know. I do not see why you are trying to hide behind it." Sir Henry: "I am not trying to hide behind anything." Mr. Fairweather, one of the com- pany's officials, told the committee that in 1931 there was a decrease expenditures on which they had embarked would not have been considered had they known this depression was coming. Dr. McGib- bon replied: "There is no compari- son betmen the two roads. The Canadian Pacific is paying its way and the Canadian National is in the red in operating." Sir Henry said that a largo per- centage of the ‘lesgs of the Cari- adian National was authorised and built partly by private ownership, partly by Government support for gressively since the depression ap peered in the autumn of 1929 there has been increased pressure on all departments and all officers to economize as much as possible. That system of policy has been progressively pursued, and the spirit of the whole organization is to economize wherever possible." Dr. McGlbbon-"You realize that the people of Canada have to put their hands in their pockets pretty heavily for this road." When Sir Henry replied that economy was the rule on ‘both the Canadian Pacific and the Canadian National Railways and that many At this stage Sir Henry Thorn- country. 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