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     THE CADRE, TUES“., OCT. 30/73 
     
    
   
   
    
     Getting it Straight 
     
    
   
   
    
     In following the dialog 
     
     between the editor, Stan 
     
     Dalton, and Ian Glass, and 
     
     Mr. Rahman, I made the fol- 
     
     lowing observations. So far 
     
     the "dialog" is rife with 
     
     varying degrees of both 
     
     conceptual and verbal pov- 
     
     erty. If*Mr. Dalton feels 
     
     justified in presenting 
     
     his ideas to others, then 
     
     he must have at least hoped 
     
     those listening or reading 
     
     are open minded and intel- 
     
     ligent enough to consider 
     
     his ideas. Therefore it 
     
     seems just as reasonable 
     
     that Mr. Dalton be himself 
     
     just as open minded. And if 
     
     'he expects them to consider 
     
     that they might be wrong 
     
     in their ideas, then he 
     
     should intertain such a 
     
     possiblility about himself, 
     
     too. 
     
    

    
     Confusion in the issue on 
     
     the logical and rational 
     
     basis for a religion, or 
     
     Christianity in particular 
     
     rests on Mr. Daltons use 
     
     of the words KNOW, BELIEVE, 
     
     AND FAITH. As he uses them 
     
     so vigorously, to fail to 
     
     define the terms is asking 
     
     for ambiguity and misinterh 
     
     pretation. How can one 
     
     agree or disagree with some 
     
     thing so unclear and ill— 
     
     defined? The Randon House 
     
     dictionary defines KNOW as 
     
     to mearely apprehend some- 
     
     thing as a fact or truth, 
     
     or be cognizant or aware of 
     
    
   
   
    
     the existence of something. 
     
    
   
   
    
     To know is the first step 
     
     to COMPREHENSION, or to 
     
     know something thoroughly 
     
     and its relationship to 
     
    
   
   
    
       
     
    
   
   
    
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     other ideas: and finially 
     
     to UNDERSTANDING or to 
     
     know both_meaning and imv 
     
     plibations, limited pos— 
     
     sibly to really under— 
     
     standing the thing-in—it- 
     
     self. To BELIEVE is to be 
     
     confident in the truth, 
     
     existence or reliability 
     
     of something, althOugh 
     
     without absolute proof that 
     
     one is right in doing so. 
     
     FAITH is belief without 
     
    

    
     (any) proof. 
     
    

    
     Mr. Dalton asserts that 
     
     to know or believe is an 
     
     either-or situation ( a 
     
     false delemma). His as- 
     
     sertion would logically 
     
     read something like: 
     
    

    
     "One cannot be cognizant 
     
     or aware of the existence 
     
    
   
   
    
     "of the confidence of the 
     
    
   
   
    
     truth, existence, or re—' 
     
     liability of Christianity. 
     
    
   
   
    
     Which is an absurdity. He 
     
     also states "To know is 
     
     to have sensual access, 
     
     whereas belief admits no 
     
     .such access. First, he 
     
     means sensory in place of 
     
     sensual, unless he's an 
     
     optimist. Again he fails 
     
     to clearly define his ter- 
     
     ,minology..Does he mean the 
     
     five senses, or the six 
     
     senses, or does he include 
     
     Plato's (and others) Uni- 
     
     'versal Pool of knowledge? 
     
     To claim that knowledge is 
     
     impoésible except through 
     
     the five senses is arrogant 
     
     belief. He also fails to 
     
     'realize that the very na- 
     
     ture of various phenomina 
     
     ’precludes absolute proof. 
     
     And this includes many 
     
     phenomina of physics (the 
     
    
   
   
    
             
     
    
   
   
    
       
     
    
   
   
    
       
     
    
   
   
    
         
     
    
   
   
    
       
     
    
   
   
    
         
     
    
   
   
    
        
     
       
     
    
   
   
    
        
     
    
   
   
    
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     Heisenburg Principle of 
     
     Uncertainty, etc.) This 
     
     does not mean, as Mr. 
     
     Dalton suggests, that it 
     
     therefore cannot be known. 
     
     Nor does it even mean that 
     
     it cannot be true. A lack 
     
     of data collected by an 
     
     observer does in no way 
     
     alter the existence of some- 
     
     thing observed. Some phen— 
     
     omina lend themselves to 
     
     scientific scrutiny and 
     
     absolute proof (doubtful) 
     
     while others have the aud- 
     
     acity to thwart all such 
     
     efforts (the religious ex- 
     
     perience, UFO"s, etc.) 
     
    

    
     we must not fall to the 
     
     temptation at classifying 
     
     something as knowable or 
     
    
   
   
    
     vtruthful by virtue of the 
     
    
   
   
    
     ease with which data can 
     
     be gathered on it or by 
     
     virtue of the media for its 
     
     expression to us. A car may 
     
     pass by me, yet I could be 
     
     unable to present absolute 
     
     proof that the car did in— 
     
     deed exist, or did what, 
     
    

    
     I said it did. I would 
     
     still know it did, but the 
     
     extent of data renders it 
     
     as a belief to others. 
     
    

    
     The general deplorable 
     
     state of affairs in manfls 
     
     world is easily predictabke 
     
     by observing the chaotic 
     
     and befuddled state of his 
     
     communications. Can we 
     
     reasonably expect man to 
     
    
   
   
    
     , straighten out his abhor— 
     
    
   
   
    
     ent society when something 
     
     so much easier, his commun- 
     
     ications, is as confused 
     
     as ever? 
     
    
   
   
    
     ~Michael T. Klewin 
     
    
   
   
    
        
     
        
     
    
   
   
    
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