iIASZARD’S

GAZETTE. JUNE 92.

COLONIAL LIOIILATUII. House or Assassenr, Ionday, Iarch 21,1068. EXPORT DUTY OI JVIIPII. KIIIQ.

House in Committee a Ways and Means- Mr. Haviland in the Clmir.

(Onnr-hdsd.) .\1r.Moenar. I do not oppose the

1' G dn kn ibtgumoi. 0 an ' . , 3 is s-do wii.ii,’i°r'.§.."'i”i.., bearurpen any of in constituents Tb land I

. e u nlne Townships in the District which I lifvs the honor to re resent, is all tenentcd and improved ; I believe ore is little, ifany, juniper £owiiig upon them. I do not therefore oppose e du on acp‘ount"of iiliy regard for the lIICiQ:d0Ip?. of m cunstiueu. opossitu gen fwould and against it—efi ITII stood alone —if ther_e w_ere not a sin juiii tree in the whole Dial-ict. I say g ought to 1;. left aaicrfsct liberty todo w t they with ‘wood or timber which we on the lands which they oeeupy—to cutfiodown. and sell it to the Yankees, or to w ver ice for it-—to ex es-land. as longes uy ve an tocxport—and, then, if resources _lh here, an the can no longer make a livin in Prince Rdwa Island, to go to Yankee-Len themselves also, if they think fit, and settle there. It is no justification of such a duty as that now pro t we have, at times, im an embargo upon grain and tatocs: so are absolutely necessary for e support of life: but juniper is onl necesear in_sliip_-buildln ; and, besides, i the Islan ship-builders w 0 require it, will onl give as good a price for it as the Yankees, an pay for it in hard honest cash, they'can have it, with- out prohibiting its ex rtatiou, and welcome: for a home market, i equally advantageous, will always be preferred ton foreign one. I have no wish whatever to injure our sbip-buil- ders; but my will towards them will not induce me to consent that a most arbitrary act of Eitiyustice shall be done for their especial be- ac

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Hon. Mr. Porn. He maintained that the im- position of an ex r on juni r-knees, amounting to prohibition, would be t e confer- ring of a general benefit upon the Colony. The carrying on of ship-building did not concern those onl who were immediately engn in it. It was 0 the greatest importance tot c gene- ral interests of the country. It was true that not many of those who were enga d in ship- building made fortunes by it; yet it could not be denied that very t advairmges to the country at large rcsulh: from it. It was, therefore, the duty of the Legislature, to encou- rage and protect the trade yevei-y allowable means ; and nothing seemed to be more likely to secure its successful prosecution than the protection of juniper trees and the preservation of that s )8(‘lt?8 of timber for the use of our own ship-buiiders. It was well known that Island vessels, if built with juniper, would class with the first rate vessels of any other country; was the case with those of New Brunswick which were built with ' ni r: these vessels commanded the highest price in Liver cl. In fact if the Island vessels were built 0 juniper, they would not be surpassed by those of any other country, and the very highest prices would be obtained for them in England. He was indeed sur rised that any one at all ac- quainted with t e state and progress of this colony and consequentl aware how much its general improvement ad been promoted by shi building, should not at once perceive, an acquiesce in, the pro riety and wisdom of providing, as for as possi le, for the protection and retention, for home uses in shi building, of the onl species of timber in t e I , which con d supply suitable materials for its

ccessful rosecution. The hon. ntlemen then allude to the large ship which th: Messrs. Duncan have upon the stocks. and stated that a large schooner had been employed in carrying juniper timber for the building of that vessel, principally from about Egmont Ba . e said the juniper so emplpm waemulti iedin value

ten-told,

.1“ cution of that trade.

down in_so doin ; unless it could be Illobl sa- tlsfictorily rov that the ml welliirv do- men sue an infraction o private rigm.-.

Mr. DAYIEI. If we are agreed that sliiyr building benefits the whole country. and than its discontinuance would injuriousl afli-ct the

interests, we must sure ai~.kiiovr- it to be our duty to protect an enmiiriqge it as muchns we possi ly can : and, ifii ho nil- mittsd, as I think it is, that juniper is the most valuable timber which the lllllllll elords fur ship-huildie purposss—that. in fact, good \'i-r-— sels cannothe built without ir—ir. it our the evident duty of the Legishiturc. now that that species of timber is becoming very scam» in the land, to endeavour to prevent its being ini- phrovidently out down and ex rtod .1 Bui,il‘ Wt‘ ink o wise, it would in be mosuunjust and unwise, on our part, to interfere about the disposal of the timber at all. some lion. mem- bers appear to be of opinion that the shi uildsrs selves are the only individua a who are, or have been, beriefitted by the prose To prove that opinion to be alto ther erroneous, it was only necessary to direct the attention of those hon. members who had avowed it, to the circumstances of most of the freeholders about St. Peter's, near- ly all of whom had been enabled til urcbase t cir freeholds with money saved by em out of their we when workin in ship-yards. It was true t when ship-bu lding was carried on without competition, they who were engegpd in lumbering might be but little benefittod y it; but, on the contrary, it was well known that every settlement, in which competition ex- isted in the trade, was in a thriving condition, and mainly depended for further improvement upon the continuance of that tra . The hon. member concluded by saying that he would move the im itioii of an export-duty so high as would almost amount to prohibition.

Mr. Cusx. What has been advanced by the hon. member for Belfast (Mr. Davies) is quite true; although the poor man who works in s ship-yard is not so much bcnefitted as the farmer who supplies the yard with provisions. Valuable timber is now very scarce in Ilia island; and the time is come when we should protect what is left. The return made for 'unipcr-knees, shipped to ihe States, is irillirig at the best: especially when it is taken into account that the timber destroyed in the

rocuring of any quantity of knees is twice as va- duable as the knees. I will gofor n prohibitory uly.

Mr. Flassn. We need not be concerned about people destroying their own pro riy. Men gene- rally know what would suit I cir own purposes The money which many poor lcnanls had obtained for juniper-knees had been in good used to them when their crops failed. Besides, it is a mistake to say that juniper will not grow again after being out down. or, on the couirary, is that no timber grows faster than 'uuipcr ; rind, after a fire, no trees grow up quic er again. I will not consent to the proposed duty ; for its im- position would certainly be as unacceptable s- mong the people, as it would be unjust in princi-

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Mr. Micavnir. If we set any value upon rc- ciprocsl Irads, we will not allow the Americans to ‘continue dc-spoiling us, both of our fish and our most valuable timber. II is not at all likely that they will listen to any proposals, on our part, for reciprocity. when they can obtain from ris all they want, without making any concessions or all on their part. But, with respect to the iojurv aris- ing from the cutting down ofjuniper uses for the sake of knees, it is not to be regretted so much on account of Ihe present culiivarors of the soil, as on account of the evils which will arise from it and be felt by those who shall, hereafter, become tenants on lends now in a wilderness state. The

rincipal part of Ihs timber so cut down is nor on reused land, but on the wilderness lands of pro- prieiors, and the ro biog cm of their valuable timber is an evil which will fall on those who shall. hereafter, occu y such lands. No branch of trade is, in my opinion, more entitled to pro- tection than ship-building; and I will. therefore, vote for a protective duty.

‘ t vessel would most pro- bably sell for at least £15000 Island Currency ; whereas, the timber employed in her construc- tion would scarcely, if exported in an unmann- factured state, have sold for one tenth of that sum. The dilerence in value, arisin from the flmber’s beingkept at home,and converted into a ship, he loo ed upon as a positive gain to the country. The hon. ntleman concluded by

' mying that he was no personally interested

the question; i>|li—O0I;Vll)‘c;d bIlul‘I§n‘WIIf how was or e u o vessels,ra,iid bopvitmuch the general intereseoodf the Colony would be roaioted by the encou- ragement of ship-build , so long as it could arried on-—be would give his t increase oftbe expor uty E and recommend that it shoal bein , in the end, slou.

to prohibi-

lfr. Wisnriiaa said. the tree expormtiou of

fliper would benefit not the Island, but Yen-

speeulators, who if no restrictions should

bsimposed, would take own all the largest

kuees,and deprive usofonr and largest timber

Mi. Liiiui. I will not agree to it. Our ship- buildcrs will not allow a fair price for juniper- ' either. They will give

knees, or ynniper Ilmber nothing li s I e value. 'l'hey will not allow as much as would be fair payment for hauling the knees or timber to their yards. The imposition of an extra duty would be felt by many poor man as a great hardship. he Americans take, noI onl the knees, but the bodies of the trees also; an it would be cruel and unjust to prevent poor man from ssllin the trees to them when ihcy are the hi best bid era for them. I am, besides, per- suad that, from the trade in juniper-knees, as lately carried on by man persons in this island, with the msricans,muc greater bensliis have been derived by these persons, than any of them have any dealings they have had with Island sblp-builders forlhelast twenty years. Mr. Macilsiu. lion. members are very much mistaken indeed, if they suppose that the country will submit to such legislation. The imposition of so ' I-duly on junper-knees would be an act of unmitigated in'usIice. It would he and’ uiseil op rsssion of I a poor, for d It“ :i'Ih0IIl:fbO so interfer- I withthebsst s Is rI,ina i::sI objecrlnasble form, and for swat: , rtis

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had ciiiicc thllit him lor his dinner :——pusI then. po-iluips. may come up to him a alalp-l-uil-l- r. or s -li-p-lmlloi-A's up oil. lo-I-lung mil IM rll )1 l-II-l"'|. null, ace-my the lrlinl In re. Iuuy ask the In M III!" for wh-4 purpose may are iulsuilsd llll II-b|I_l ' uill probably be In the eflicl Ihsl, warning I CCU‘ ‘In his hack. and liiuming iurt hon. uihe-rt\i..r..Io obtain II, he is preparing ii fl-w knees to lie ship- poll to ihr Stairs. for which hsuill be paid ugood price in haul I-ash. ' ‘o ihis. lltl\\'¢\'l.'l‘, the ulber will reply " You are quite rnisialicn. my soul iuuii. as In your‘ h:i\'ir-|: ll in your power In ship l.iiru~ lu llIL' .\‘i:iin \-ii um i-.o-ilminli at liberly a lo r.\ri'-.-lee-. soim: ol lill iighls or I-uni-ishlp over all-0'50 mes: they pron upon: your lend, and you _ioaiy cut their: dc-vm; and. l'uiI|nei', you me)‘, if , you please, prepare them lot line: piiipum s ol ship- lhuildiug; but you are noi st lihcriy io espsst ‘ car. You may, it you like, haul lhiiiilu our ship-yard, and UN‘ u ill give you «her we think i proper for tlii-in: not. unless -u do so. or so ihi-iii to some (Ilfl(‘I‘ ship yard in in» island, you have no other choice. as respects Iheiii, but either to burn, or no sllow them to lie and no where they are." ‘on. nulmsn, with due regard to the rights of his tellow-men. can tell me that this wool nor a most unjuslifiabls ioisrfsreacs wllll the natural right of ii men Io dispose of the fruits of his own labour. in the we which he may think most for his own a vantage. If the lsliind ship builders will give a fair value for juniper ki-eea—il they will give as much as the ‘lllletl-‘ins give, not a single knee will be seal in llio Sisies. Hon. the N-uxizx. Instead of allowing only uniil Iha lsi July, for iliscourplciion of cxisiing coniraois. I think we should extend the lime unul the In November. on. Ms. Post. if the hen. the Speaker's smendineni be adopted, it will encourage ihose engaged in the export-trade ofjuniper-knees no go on. If lhe reins for lll'0O|ItplOtil'lg of contracts

will be quite useless.

llori. Mn. Cons. An additional duty of 8s would have scarcely any other effect than that of injuring the poor ni:iii._ it will be best, illiink, to prohibit the exportation of juniper-knees alto- gether; and then, if the Americans cannot do without them, and cannot rocurc them other- wise, they will be obligsdplo come and build their vessels here. . Hois. Ma. Tiioasron. I will go with the hon. the Leader of Ihe Government for as high a duty as cs.

A motion of ihe Hort. the Srsixn’s for a duty of 3d a knee, and one of the Hon. Ma. WIiai.ari's, were severally lost, the Committee, dividing the run: can, 9. eye, I .

Aeanolion for a duty ofls a knee was their agre Io.

Hos. Ma. TIIOINTON moved an additional duty of «la a knee, to nislre the whole duly lie, that it lfllfill! amount to prohibition.

on. Me. ones moved ihsi no knees be ex- ported from rho lslsnd after lbs in July. That, he was of o inion would be going upon Ihe right principle. ' ‘he imposiiion of a duty of 5s a knee would benefit none but Ihoso who built vdssels of about 500 tons Iiurlhen. The motion of Ihe lion. gentleman was Ihen agreed Io. novel: suntan Mir. ll.ivii.i.vn. with other Resolutions agreed to in Coniniittee of the whole ilouse, reported tlufilbllowingf h I i.;~'oi.vrn, hat the sum of One 8 ilin be charged and paid on all Juniper Knees ex gn- ed from this Island, up to the First of uly next; and that after that, no Juniper Knees shall be exported from this Island. This Resolution being read, ii. moved to amend the same,b striking out the words “Ops Shlilllngf," and nserting “Three-

nce" in ien t ereo .

pe'I‘he House divided on the motion of amend-

merit :—

Yeas: lllr. 1-‘raser, Mr. Mucneill, lion. Mr. Jardinc, lion. Mr. Whelan, Mr. Laird, Mr. lglooney, lion. Mr. Coles, Hon. Mr. ar-

urton—-8 'ays:—lloii. Mr. Pope, lion. Mr. Palmer,

Mr. Campion, Mr. Wi htman. Mr. ongo- niery, Mr. Mecsuln , Ii‘on. Mr. Thornton, r. Mr. Longworth, Mr.

Davies, Mr. Clar , Haviland-—— 1 So it passed is the neptive. The fiuestion of concurrence being then put on the sai Rcsoulution. the House again divided : Yeas .-—IIox. Mn. Porx, llon.Mr. Palm Cain ion, Mr. Wightmsm, Mr. ntgomer Mr. caulay, Hon. Mr. Coles, Hon. Mr. Thornton, Mr. Davies, Mr. Clark, Mr. Long- wortb, Mr. Haviland—l2-. Nays: Hon. Mr. Warburton. Hon. Mr. Jar- dine, Mr. Fraser, Mr. Laird, Hon. Mr. Whelnn, Mr. Mooney, Mr. Macmill- So it was carried in the aflriiietivc.

R. B. Iavino, llsporier.

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be oxieuded Is is: Novenibes, n prohibiting duty to (1; and

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and ii lhirnl»lcl‘nl of \\ liislu‘ iii:i_\', alter the lapse of years, suffice to kindle in nm-\\ in nll its fury. (ileer. hear.) Haring nrlo ted thi-in ihis lumi- nmontele principle, we are u a pt-siiioii consis- Ic y an efistirely to take pracli-_~ul iiieallurcs for the su pression of tho t,'\li. let all the IIN‘lI|lM‘|'§ o the .ihsIiiieni~s- Socii-ly do all they can by the ciri-uhition ol'iril'orniiiii-in u n the su ct. and b" l'uitlil‘ul dealings Willllllm the splu.-re o their infiuoni-e.

I-hull’ ' up Uhurohles pie , Ind liliglitirig all that is lovely in domost 0 li e. But ull our eflbrts will he mur- paratively iiirflbctivo, so long us the drum-shops are tolera . That the number of drain-sh has to do with the extent of drunkenness isj as plain as fhcta can make it. Establish a drum- shop in a sober district, and who that knows anything of cause and other will doubt the speedy intemperance of that district! It may be, that those who haveacquircd a love for liquor will stop at nothin by means of which this appetite may be gs-s ed; but as our hope in this reformation rests chiefly with those who have not acquired the taste, so our wisdom sug- srs the destruction of every facility, by means of which it may be formed. Then, alon with our dram-slio , I rank the licensed toll- ouses. Let the noble example of the middle Road lriist in Berwicksbire be followed, and the advanta to our rural po ulation will be immense. n the country of rwick. in consequence of the representations made to the gentlemen of the Middle Road Trust,all the licenses were with- drawn from the four tolls in the district. Now, what is the con uence ?—a fallin oil‘ in the rental of L418. hat speaks of t e evil that drink was doin among the rural pulation of that district. .418 would have gen the gain e Trust, had these tolls been licensed as fbrmerly ;but let it be remembered, that this is the district in which Williams murdered his neighbour Mather, and that the prosecution and punishment of the crime cost the country not less than L600.

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I am glad to learn, that the other

to to be let in that district with the important note ap nded—‘ No spirituous li uors allowed to be so d at any of the rolls.’ ’ vanta to be desired a more problem. I ma give an instance of a most praiseworthy descrip- tion. Some time s the carrier on a read be- tween Edinburgh and a town in the south got into very dissipated habits, and the carts were always late in urrivin at their destination. he cause was searche for. and it was found. thnt a certain licensed toll house by the way was the source of the mischief. The matter was brought before the Road 'l‘rusI, and a certain noble Duke pleaded for tliewithdrawal of the license; but pence triumphed over principle- the Trust could not stand the loss of the ad- ditional rent. Ihtlier than be foiled, the noble Duke rented the toll himself, and gver the door e sign. ‘ Licensed to he sold,‘ ve we to the sign, ‘ Walter Scott. Duke of uccleuc , toll- inan.‘ (lend laughter.) And from that day the carrier's carts t home in time. Now, the question is coming up of the entire abolition of the drum shops, and of every place establish- ed for the more gratification of the drunliard's appetite. Of course, puhlicans will put on the iispeotofinjured innocence, and loudly complain of the infringement of their rights. The whole system is a system 0 wlioleiui robbery and death. (Loud cheers.) What is the fact l When a publicen receives the price of his drink, does the matter end there! is it a matter solely No such thing. I would that we had some Duncan M‘Liiren who, by his figures, would show Ilie real price of every glass of whisky to the comm unity. Instead of pence, it'would be found to cost undo ; and who pays the difference? Why, 0 course, the sober and industrious. ((.‘hecrs.) And yet we are not to e ak of cri apling these worthies in their liberties and privileges of putting their hands into our cts and robbing us of our honest gains. hey must know that liberty is not license, and that it is one of the essential principles of sound liberty, that we on go in no coursc hurtful to our neighbours. ' o con- nexion between the dram shop and our greater social evils is ' What said the late Sherifi 8 iers in his evidence before a committee of the