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out any control from outside."

Premier Jones: "Self-govern- merit."

Dr. MacMilJan: "Than in be logical you are golnl bb- refuse permission to the Federation of Agriculture in this Province being affiliated with the Canadian Fed-

is evidently‘ the result of the un- eailed for threat by the Premier o! this Province made several months ago. that he would outlaw unions, Now you are attempting to do it by legislation."

Premier Jones: "This enables the unions tb organise in a proper way. There is nothing here that you can't find in the laws of the United States or in the license law

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elation here autonomous?"

Dr. MaoMillan: “Ne, we part of the Canadian Medical As- sociation." '

over your "own concerns."

Dr. MaoMlllan: “To s certain extent. if it does not conﬂict with the Federal organization. The autonomy of the Farmers Federa- tion is limited in the same way.

the Truckmen's Union, the Garage Operators’ Union, and every other group of this kind? This is the rnost retrograde step that any Gov- ernment has taken in the history oi this country. to try to dlhoy the effect of unionism. I, wonder what‘the Prime Minister oi Can- ada would think, as the great de- fender of Labor, of this kind of legislation. In plain English you are trying to outlaw the Unlo-is."

Mr. Wright: “l deny that we have any intention of doing that at all. The Jones Government is the first in this‘ Province that gave Labor the right to. organize and bargain collectively."

Mr. D. L. Mathieson: "And the first to take it away."

Mr. Wright: "Does my hen. friend want a. continuation in this Province of what occurred here last Fell? So far as I am conoem» ed I don't want to see a man like Adam Borsk come down here a- gain and poison the minds of our people. Communists are trying to do that everywhere in the world today, by agitation and misrepre- sentation."

Dr. MaoMlllan: “Ls this legisla- tion in operation in other parts of Canada?"

Mr. Wright: "I am not worry- ing about other parts of Canada. We are concerned about what is going to happen here."

Dr. MacMillan: "Prince Edward Island is going to be in a position of its own?"

Provincial Jurisdiction

-Premler Jones: "I understand that at the time of Confederation we were left with property and civil rights, which give us full control o! labour within this Pro- vince. If the Dental or Medical Association have affiliations out- side the Province i1 don't think that would be of any concern to us here, but I think this whole bloody strike that took place last Fall was an attempt to take that power away from the Provinces. We resisted that because we stand

Mr. Wright: "We are not talk- lfig about the Federation oi Agri- culture; we are dealing with trade

Dr. MacMlilan: “The Medical As-

Mr. Wright: "Isn't your Asso-

Mr, Wright: "You have control

of Quebec. The Opposition is nor intelligent enough to get up end explain anything different. These measures have been generally ac- cepted by trade unions all over the North American continent."

Predicts _ Difficulties

Mir. Mathieson: "I submlt_ there is no legislation of this kitid in any Province of Canada. It is go- ing to run into difficulties at once. It means that a good many assoclationsin this Province, now legally organized as unions. will find that their ‘affiliation with the Canadian Congress or Labor or the C.I.0. will cancel out unless

packers’ strike will be indignant that they are not allowed to join with other Canadian citizens-not be able to associate with them. to draw benefit from their knowledge, experience and organization. the same as we in the legal profes- sion do with the Canadian Bar Association. If I were not allowed to belong to the Bar Association except on condition that no mem- ber of the Bar from Vancouver or Montreal or elsewhere could come and talk hare. I would not obey any such direction because it would be "absurd. I think the Government would be well advis- ed to consider whether this meas- ure is strictly intra vlresJYou are asking a Canadian citizen of one pert of this country not to be allowed to associate himself with Canadian citizens in other carts. it will cause a great deal oi indig- nation not only here but else- where. We are going to stop free expression of opinion. know how you are going in stop the rsdie- from coming in. The next thing will be to gag the radio."

Premier Jones: “Hal"

Mk. Mathieson: “You can't step ideas simply by telling a man he can't come here and talk. It is nonsense to say that we are going to keep out agitators in this mgn- ner. A person cannot even talk out loud about being a member oi a union in another Province but he is liable to a fine."

Premier Jones: “Hal hall"

Mr. Mathieson: "There is no joke about it, it is extremely sor- ious. it means that a union cannot organiu without saying that they ‘have nothing to do with an out- side rganlzstion. which is absurd. How are you going stop corres- pondence between lo al body of men and othe ople in Canada? Are you going to take over the Post Offioe? I can‘t conceive who drafted this ‘bill. I believe in On- tario some years ago a measure was presented by some interested parties,‘ and Premier Hepburn

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had simply provided for arbitra- tion it might be effective, although that section is rather rudimentary. But Section 5 is absolutely un- heard of in the history of any civilized country."

Mr. Mathloson read the ori inal provisions of the 1945 Sta ute. "Here." he said, "is the Joker in

the unions are not to affiliate with any national body. The Pr> vincial Secretary may grant a license which he may revoke or cancel at his discretion. Now you, really want to Set tough with the Un- ions, and you, provide that any person \vho merely HPrMut-B him- self to be a member of e trade

- this manner, at the discretion of

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union which is not licensed she.“ be liab of $100. or 30 days. Anyone who even talks about itl In other words it is a. gag. You can tat’ any poor workman who even represents himself as belonging to an unlic- " ensed unlon— and very few unions

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this Act- and you can put him in jail. That is the effect of this statute.‘ Premier Jones: “I think we have such legislation in force elsewhere, and it is working all right." - Mr. Mnthieson: "Where. in Bus» sin?"

Premier Jones: "Look through the statutes of »Quavbeo."

Mr. Mathieson: "Do you mean to my that they don't allow any un- ions in Quebec?"

Premier Jones: "They handle the situation in Quebec because they ere licensed." s

Mr. Msthisson: "The Quebec law ln many cases has been de- scribed as Fascist.”

Premier Jones: "I think it work- ed out all right."

Hon. Mr. Stewart: "I think we are taking up too much time." Mr. Msthieson: ‘(On the liberty of the subject we can't take up too much time."

lion. Mr. Stewart maintained that "if this bill is not put through there will be no security for the farmers or producers or consum- ers of this Province for all time to come."

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one man who is vested with dic- tatorial power. What does all this lead to but agitation and revolu-

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Continuing, Mr. Mathleson quot- ed the following statement from the preface of Prime Minister Mac- kenzie King's work, "Industry and Humanity”: "I believe. more firm-

gste, as stating that among tne

first victims of the “police state" ls the right of Labour to organ- ize in its own interests. He said

that while the bill may not be illegal, it was contrary to every principle of justice and equity, to the words and deeds of the leader

of the Government of Canada, and

to the ideals expressed by the Fed- eral Minlster of Labour.

“We in this House." he con- tinued, "for the most part repre- sent the employer type. We ha

that Tihe problems fundamentally

in the direction of according ta Labor, more ln the way of join‘ control: and to all the parties to Industry, more, not less, of self- government. Tho trend toward dic- tatorship. whether in the State or in Industry, ls. to my way of think- ing. a tendency wholly ln the wrong direction. All who cherish liberty cannot oppose too strongly any form of dictatorship. Govern- ment ln Industry. like Government in the State. must be broad-nosed. and genuinely representative. revolution ls to be averted, and an enduring security attained." "All through Mr. King's book," Mr. Mathieson said, "you will find the same principles advocated — nothing . arbitrary; conciliation an l arbitration always. You can't force independent men in this Produce or any part of Canada into n straight-Jacket. They rebel! l warn you. gentlemen; they will rebel." He noted that the employees of the Canadian National System were exempted, but wondered aha‘ they were going to say about the treatment accorded their fallow workmen in this Province, by being shut out from privileges that they themselves enjoy. lle be- lieved that had provision been made for arbitration in the i945 statute, the trouble at Canada Packers plant might have been settled without a strike!” _ Asked by Premier Jones ivbcther he was being retained by the Leu-

our Union in any capacity, M:. Mathlason replied emphaticslLv, "I am not."

Ron. Mr. Wright took issue with the contention that the local strike could have been avoided by ar- bitration legislation in the i945 Act. m. lifatilleson replied that the proposed also prove ineffective.

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Mr. MacKinnon denied this. Lis- tening to the hon. member he won. dered whether he wasn‘t reading "Alice in Wonderland", his state- ments were so nonsensical. What was the object of the inquisition to which the promoter 1M1. Wright) had been subieotbd? "We i-sve got to remember that our economy in this Province is all based on agriculture and the fish- eries. Ii you destroy either of them we will all go down with it.

d and it is in the power of these

labor leaders to destroy agriculture wholly."

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went on n eita ouiml m:-

He reviewed the situation last September, and the difficulty fac- ing the livestock producers. If their hogs had been left un- slsughtered. where would they be today? He had sat in this cham-

class feeling." He pointed out that both the Canadian‘ Congress of Labour and the C. I. O. have in recent months spoken out vehem- ently against Communism. Noth- lng could be farther from the truth than to say that these org- anizations were Communistlc,

Premier Jones: "How do you know when the Communists are in the Unions? Were they not in

it was a very serious one.

Legislature invited?"

bar when those men were invite-i here to explain their problem, and

Dr. MaoMillan: "Why wasn't the

Mr. MecKlnnon: "Just perhaps for the same reason that we are running up against here today." Mr. MacKinnon said that labor organizations elsewhere were in- filtrated with doctrines of Oom- munism- "We have labor men here who are as intelligent as any people in Canada," he said. “and they‘ can get together and this Government is going to assist them to run their own unions. Let us do more for them than we d-ld in the push-give them the Work- men’s Compensation Act and the Fair Wage Minimum Law. They are an integral part of our Pro- vince and why should any of them be in want? mt us get together with those boys and give them privileges that the C. I. O. or the A. F. l... won't give them-and we will charge them nothing for it." Hon- Mr. Large said the billwas

I ure for arbitration, which had been omitted in the original Act. He read section 6 of the bill in this connection. There is no ques- tion. he sdld, as to the rights of Labour to organize in this Pro- vince as trade unions. and it was the Jones Government which had introduced the legislation in the first place. The question of vest- ing power in the Provincial Sec- retary was one which should be left to the people to decide in four years time. In the meantime, however, a crisis had arisen ls.st Fall and the Government had dealt with it satisfactorily.

After some further discussion. the section was carried on straight party vole.

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lions and individuals as well. , Mr. Wright referred to the presi- dent of the Canadian Seaman's Union having to resign use he. could not control the Communists in that organization He had had to go into hiding after ‘ making that revelation. .Mr. Mathieson: “I am saying | that the leaders of the Canadian Congress of Labor are definitely ' against Communism. They have done the same thing in the United States. l submit that we are not acting as Canadian citizens at all if we attempt to keep a section of our people from joining any out- side organisation."

Further. ‘iscussio followed be- tween Mr. Methleson and l-ion Mr. Large on the question of local unions having autonomy in Hit. matter of, voting for or against strike action.

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Mr. Dougaid MacKinnon recal- led occasions on which the lenders of a local union had come in the Government making certain re- quests. They stated that ‘they did not want to‘ get under the influ- enoe of foreign labour elements. such as the c. I. O. and A. i". L.

Mr. Mathieson: “Does foreign‘ to you mean a Canadian?"

m. MacKinnon: "l would say outside the Province. There never was a Government that used La- bor as favorably as this Govern- ment did."

Mr. Mathieson: “And new you are going to outlaw them."

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