2. ‘.

1950

-‘THE GUARDIAN. ciiAai.o'i*ri:;rowN_

"rarities iotio

(continued from Pass 1)

"1 didn't say» ‘ Mr. suwuti. statements He went on to ll|'|°l-9 lh°"°"“" Mlnutgp of Agriculture. Mr.hW.F.A Wm.-t, ‘ya stating that he ad ro- tszelved $1.000 a your 1°! W 5"‘ ~ Minister. and that he will

}':;°°h1': 5“ car, while the new

.I,,,,,,,..,‘ received sssoo - you Ind

“The late Minister re- a year except durink ""-..“".&.’.“’..;" iii: said. “ 0 III 33:?“ mm receives I3.000- 1 hapg that statement is but WW1" ohm” 1., 11;. paper so thatpeop e ,,,,.y mow that the present Mg:

.m_ of Agriculture rece ves

few tho amount of 91¢ pvecedinl M‘“’5t_,“' ’°°°v I‘ ma

M5-_, stewart: I said dur 118

i‘ t veer-" ..

iiéremle, Jone3l;1°t:(l!‘lI"b is not the “"‘,-j,,.’°‘§5.2’.5'L°n? “And minus the Mg; which is not exactly the

glso I. car. ocived $590 5 portion of

llIn9- ‘w

The Premier went on to refer ’ ,, complaint Mr. Stewart was :0‘; ported to have made with 1'08 1‘ to his car. 1-lerotoion c;rt;.|I:°mb°.i\.|‘; has 01 me Govufnntl‘ f the sales able to I9‘? I V‘ “" ° in tax on their cars. There is a m ‘S who takes installment pxmad when they cannot pay c haw. “hen the Premier rend Mad ms‘ :;;'t's statement that he ha . 5500 or 3309 on his car. he went to this individual and sot him W “N, up the depreciation charge on Mr. Stewart‘: car .in 1946 and me. It amounted for the two years to only $333» I

"He has been extremely w'J used in that way. elihoush the impression that has gone out is different.” the Premier. slid-

Mr. Stewart had also said that youth training was formerly under me Dep“-tmgnt, ox Agr culture. Tms was the case during the war years and until iiwl. when '-ll“ Department of Labour asked the Provincial Government to Pill W the training grants under one de- partment. As most of the work in this Province was bellls d°“° ‘N’ do: the Department of Education.

mg youth training was accordingly - The bu

cod in that department- ".33.. has been continued An W3 -reohnioai school. and the Province receives about 010-000 in ‘dd""°" 4,-, another grant of some 010.300 vwliicli must be matched from the Provincial treasury.

Paleonwood Barn

The Premier challenged Mr- Stewart's statement that the barn nt Faloonwood had cost t30-°°°- The auditor's statemen‘ was tabled. and ghowed that the cost was 831.000. -: am not going to an-sue wlgether or not that was too much. the Premier said. “but the late Minis- ter is quoted as saying that the barn is too wide, that it should have been built some other will and that the old stanchlons should have been used. t was v|'°°*'* ly what the been «It of NW“ Works were going to do. The I100‘ called and tried to set ordefl I07 new atanchions. They wouldn't re- ceive them in the Public Works Department but he went over to the Minister of Agriculture and ordered sues of new stanchion!-

Mr. Stewart: “I said we could have used some of tile old stanch- iene“ '

The Premier also referred to Mt‘. Stewart's complaint that the barn was not dry. and said that this eould be remedied with thermos- tatic controls. There had been con- siderable criticism‘ also that tit: Province was going Nhlnfi l7°°I“‘° or the ‘rnabchinl si-ants’ ieceivcd from the fibderal Government. The total amount of these niatchlllx grants was only about 071,000. .

ssr. Stewart: “That does not in- oiudeoiii are pension"

The’ Premier Illiebd that this as the case. He went on to quote

. Stewart ‘as complaining tbs the Temperance Act was not beinl enforced. stating that some young people were getting too many Del’- mit books. “If I were a member of the Government and had informa- tion of that kind. I Would N90“ it to the Attofney General". ill added.

Mr. Stewart: "I was not a in m- ber of the Government at at time." .

Premier Jones: "He also said that he was not the man who advised the farmers to press their hay."

Mr. Stewart: “V. said I advised them not to press hay."

Premier Jones: "A great deal of hay is going to Newfoundland. i called up the O.N.R. today and found that lo earloads of bay left the Island in the oath of August last year. In In thus we 40 carloads shipped. in October 29 csrloads, in November 1?. in Dec- ember st. in Janus y of this year

38. intiebru 2i and in March of carioada. Yet e advised the farm- ers not to ‘ hay.”

Mr. ate : “At what price?”

Premier Jones: "I am not talk- ing about prices. They are could‘! the a 'ay."

‘Ir. : "I still hold that 1110!!-.‘!-Ittlcatoifruu V spy money." Prong; _ es: It must be prof- itable’ or wouldn't sell it." -

' .. Prime Minister at uumi said

'5 feted from the other side of the

TOMTO. March 11 — (GP)

today that Canada's handling of racial problems may suggest a means of ending international dif- ferences in the cold war.

"We (Canadians) stand united beforu a world in‘ need of unity." he told the Toronto Canadian Club. "And ‘the striking thing is that this world faces a problem of racial dif- fge-rlnozslhianlulse differences. cui-

eronces an a far 'grea scale than. but essentially slmllx to.theproblemwefacedIithe early days of our national life.

“We stand tlius before a -world in need oi political harmony such as we have achieved and before a world in need of a kind of part- nership similar to ours. »

"I do not think it is too much to hope that our national example may contribute to the development in the international sphere of the unity of purpose and the spirit of co-operation so essential to the

and the security of the free world."

Canada Shows‘ H(”)w_To, .. Handle Racial Problems

ThePrimaMinistarandPromler

Proat oi’-Ontario signed an agree- ment transferring to Ontario tho Canadian wata rights in the Nia- gara River. -The agreement will make possible more extensive hydro development at Niagara Pulls. Dlsmssing» the implications for Canada of the cold war between Communism and the free eoimtrles of the world. Mr. st. Laurent said: "lasting peace and hprmony be- tween uations can only come about through the_deveiopment among the nations of ‘the world of the kind of partnership which we have developed between the two great raceshereinOanada...we can- not have real and lasting peace un- til there is some degree of mutual fionfidence and trust between na- one.

"Events have demonstrated that .]d-y

confidence will depend upon a sin- core and radical change in the at- titude of Soviet Russia to the rest of the world. Such a change is not going to come overnight, if it comes at all in our lifetime."

with respect to Paloonwood hrn. Mr. Stewart maintained he was correct in stating that it had cost altogether about $30,000. He went over numerous items of costs, re- peating his criticism that tile building was cold. damp, incoii- venlent and costly. “Would you build a burn like that on your own place?" he asked the Premier.

Premier Jones maintained that the stanchions and other lteru were included in the 831.000 cost. "It is no use for him to quibble; that is what it cost.” he said.

Mr. Bell: "Was it a cost plus contract?"

Premier Jones: “so far as I know Mr. Matheson's contract was a cost plus one. The barn was built in ii hurry because the straw had to be stored and there was no place to store it."

Mr. Stewart: "it doesn't hold half the straw nowi"

Premier Jones: "It had to be built in a hurry. if I wanted to build in a hurry that is what I would do."

M.r._’Bell: “But not on a cost plus

Premier Jones: "No. 1 would build it with my own help."

Mr. Hughes‘ Complaint

The Premier said he had been asked by a former Cabinet col- league (Mr. William Hughes) to make an “amends honorable" for certain statements regarding the potato warehouse agreement. In this connection he read a copy of the Dominion order-in-council of Dec. 3, 1947, (the text of which appears elsewhere in today's Guar-

an.

Mr. Hughes: “The Premier said that I struck up an agreement with Ottawa; now he tries to prove that by a€IdlH‘ an order-in- council."

Premier Jones: “You were the Minister until March 1048. Here is the agreement. too. which was drawn up by Mr. Kenneth Martin. who. I presume. was employed by the Government; it is founded on the order-in-council. The hon. gentleman was Minister then. and I have given you the facts. We have always been the best of friends and I wouldn't want the hon. mem or to think that there was anyth ng in the way of a dis- agreement between us.”

Mr. Hughes (after inspecting the agreement): “This has no refer- ence to the matter at all." _

Premier Jones: "Well, I thought this would clarify the whole situa- tion." -

(Later. at the request of Mr. Hughes. be tabled both the.ssree- ment and the Dominion ordcr-ln- council.) ‘ -

Ministers’ Bealg-nations Some instruction had been of-

House. the Premier said. as to how he should have reconstituted his Government. "If one finds himself in the position of Premier. how are you going to proceed if you want to change your Govern- ment?" he asked. “Would you go to a man and say. ‘Give me your resignation?’ What if he refused? Or would you. as they say the late Premier of Canada did. take the resignations in advance and have them on filef (Laughton. I was not quick enough to have all the resignation. on file."

Dr. Mseltfillan: “Mr. King could have told you that." V

Premier Jones: "I was not smart enough to have them on file. (Laughter). But on a couple of occasions I said the Government would have,to have rdgnstions and they all agreed. for good and sufficient . Some ‘ - of the Government handled me (heir; resignations but others did not. '

Mr. Hughes: "Why, didn't you act on mine. ' ‘ ’ of "" me out?"

Dr. MacMilieri: "Was that site!‘ the Liberal nominating conven- tion in Queen's?!’ ~

Premier Jones: "No: All -summer I knew I had to reshape the ‘Gov- erninant. I said. so at the last ses- sion. lt went on until I found

V esrr-yin: five or six port- foios." '

DI‘. MacMlilan: "You ma, to-do it all youraalff" - V . -rs. only way

Premier Jones: "And I eouldlfl. carry on. eularlv as the Min- ister of glivvsya left in early July. I couldn't conveniently get

’ fr:-l‘:-_uu a ‘ merit. and

‘Dr. " oiihuanz ‘Do you tiiinli

‘ -Ti. - =-‘~w- ..« 7!. .-hm . Jones: ‘ltwds dons

’ get into St. John's for that."

done under the circumstances." Continuing. he said there were difficulties of representation in connection with the old Govern- merit. His own colleague for Bel- fast (Mr. Dougald MacKinnon) had to be left out oi the Cabinet. although I-‘Irst Queen's was rep- resented by two Ministers. ‘‘I left them there as long as possible. but that situation had to be changed," he said. There was also not a fair religious representation, or Countyrepresentation. It all had to be corrected, and he did not think the criticism of the lun- ior member for Charlottetown (Mr. D. L. Mathiesen) in this connec- tion had any point. "If ‘his father were alive he could tell you how to form a Government. On one occasion he told a certain man that he shouldn't run in the dis- trict; but it happened he did run. and he got here Just the same. They were rough days then."

Newfoundland Trade

The Premier claimed that there had been no interference with other Newfoundland trade in the operations by the Eskimo. The boat visited’ the outports along the south and west side. and succeed- ed in lowering the cost of living by ten or fifteen percent to the people of these places. They put into twelve or fifteen cutports al- together. and they took the goods on consignment only.

"The'old trade which I have heard argued about so much was the coastal shipping trade which is nearly all over the ship's side. and which is a very crude way of doing business." Premier Jones said. He mentioned two ships from the island which were carrying on trade in this manner last year. one out of Summerside and the other from Murray Han hour.

The Eskimo received no subsidy from'the Federal Government al- though there was one bost coming into Charlottetown which was get- ting a subsidy of $4.500. They were told that if they made a loss on the ‘Eskimo’ they would be en- titled to a subsidy. but this point has not been determined.

Dr. Macmuan: "You.shouid get it; I hope you will."

The Premier said the ‘Eskimo’ had been the oblect of slighting remarks from the Opposition. "I don't know where they gt their coaching," he added. " e can guess. though. There might be some individuals here who don't want. to see this boat succeed."

He went on to say that the "El- kimo' was found to be in good condition for a wooden ship. and that she was equipped with radar. direction finder and other modern devices. V

Mr. Keir Clark: "May I ask the Premier if be inferred that any of this ‘coaching’ is coming from the members of this House?"

Premier Jones: "I didn't that."

He said it had been asked why the Captain of the ‘Eskimo’ is not an Islander. This was because there is not an Island captain who can handle the rsdar.at present. They had an Island man with papers and when he gets experi- ence with radar he will be a per- fectly good captain. ‘

Mr. Bell: "Does she interfere with the trade of the 'Carrol'f”

Ply

Premier Jones: "I don't think so. Mr. Bell: "The Government

formerly owned that schooner. did it not?"

Premier Jones: We had a mort- gage on it. We didn't take that ship down there to carry live- stock. ihoulh there was some de- mand for that. We took the live’- stock ‘ "‘ ‘ ‘y; but we thought a lot. of this outport trade in farm produce could be developed, and we concentrated on that."

He ' ‘ -‘ other pro- ducts, pasteurized milk which was taken there in excellent con- dition. to places where fresh milk was a luxury. "And when the ice- cream came in. they lined up like you used to line up when you could get beer first from-the van- dor's." he added amid laughter.

Dr. llacllliisnz “Why don't you swap the milk for beer there?"

Premier Jones: "You have to

Mr. Bell: "You are not auowed into St. John's?“ .v

‘Premier -Jonas: "We don't take

her- . We avoid those big ports hieh probablyioould have given us good cargoes ‘all the

time: but we are developing a brand-new trade in‘ lfew0ound- land. _We are aotso stueli con- eeraed about St John's because they are eoaanissioa merchants, anyway.“ ‘ < _ '

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engaged in the import-,trade in London. and there was no more at man in Canada to handle a,ship'a buslneu. “if you want to know if he is a practical man. all: Mr. Gormley or Mr. MacDonald ‘who lead the freight, than you will have an opinion words while, rather than - - -"

Mr. D. L. Malhieaon: "His own rape vs " .

Premier Jones: “Suppose we had not made this venture?"

Mr. ‘Bell: “We always traded with New-foundla-nd. despite the ‘Eskl.ino'." -

Premier Jones: “With schoon- ers. They were good fifty years ago, but where are the wlndjiun- mers today?" lie went on to say that if the Government had not attempted to open up this trade avenue it would have been sup- jecied to ...‘iticlsm. “We will see at the end of twelve months how much we are going to be in the red," he added;-"but if we are in the red’! would say the Doininion Government should pay a sub-

Dr. Maclldillani

,“Whst do you but’ from thpm." .

Premier Jones: "I can't see much that we can buy; but they have to get their food somewhere, and they might as well buy from us." He added that it was his intention to press for furtherance right for shipping through the port of Charlottetown. ~

Again chiding the Opposition on being "coached"on their criticisms about the Eskimo trade. he said it was reported they had a paid “ghost writer" who could be seeif occasionally fllttin-g around. “They say that when he feels particular- ly good he rings people up on the phone anli brags that he makes all the speeches on the other side."

Dr. MacMillan: “Who writes your speeches?" Voice: “He just makes them

by. MacMillan: “That is the rea- son they are so bad."

Premier Jones went on to twit the Opposition leader on mlspro- nounclng the word. “orgies" in his speeches. which he took as an in- dication that somebody had pre- pared his material for him.

Dragger Operations

On the question .of draggers the Premier referred to an editorial in a Saint John. N.B.. paper. criticising the Opposition leader of this Province for his antiquated ideas in opposing this develop- ment. He cited the dragger op- erations from the neigh ring Provinces. and stressed the ad- vantage of making a trial of them here in the eastern part of the island. One suggestion the Government had received in con- nection with irhls business was the possibility of establishing a ‘half million dollar fish plant here.

He went on to discuss the sup- erior quallty of fish caught well oftshire. and the fact that the great demand new is for frozen fillets. _

Dr. Macllililian: "Suppose we have a lot of big draggera operat- iiu. What becomes of the ordin- ary lnshore fisherman?"

Premier Jones: “In New Bruns- wick and Nova Scotla he is more prosperous than ever. If you go to Caraquet you will find that out."

Mr. Richard: “They are more prosperous than they ever were."

Premier Jones: “Certainly if the Island does not make a move, other people will have control of- the waters around our shores. it is a movement that we can’! stop. It is a kind of irreelsta-bis force. Possibiywhen it meets an im- moveablo body like the Opposition something tmy_happen."

Big issues Ignored

One of the most remarkable things about the debate was the fact that the Opposition had noth- ing to talk about but "little things" the Premier said. There were’ such big‘ questions as freight rales, Transportation Cornmlsslon hear- ings, the proposal of the C. N. R. for the use of Provincial highways. the coming Dominion-Provincial conference, etc. “Not a word about these things." he said. "What is the point ofikeeping an Opposi- tion at~ali, I wonder?"

Mr. Phillip Mathoson: “Are you going to get more money?!‘

Premier Jones said the chief argument of the Opposition for raising money was the Pi-ovince‘s lack of Crown lands —' a matter which did not come up at the last Ottawa conference at all. They boasted of the Conservatives get- ting a few hundred thousand dol- lars. whereas this Government in its negotiations had obtained near- ly two million dollars “in one Jump" from Ottawa. "We‘ got more at one fell swoop in N47 — four times as much, as all the lit- tle pickings that you ling about; and we are going there again. and you didn't even discuss it."

Mr. Bell: "Where is it going?"

The Premier’ mentioned the pre- sentations made by Mr. J. 0. C. Campbel and Hon. Mr. Darby he- foro lit Royal. Commiaai n ‘on Transportation In Nova Scott: the legal counsel doing this work received at least 8100 a day. and they had expert assistance as well.

There was some sharp ex- change on this subject between the Premier and Mr. Bell.

it was a “poor Opposition." the Premier maintained. that had no criticism to offer except against civil servants. “You must pratty hard up.” he, taunted.

r. MuMIlisn: “We” never call- so the 'lIlrelingl'. aliywsyi"

Pram or Jonas: "Do you. know the oral‘: that was given ouzibrief

‘l'rsnIson.C0uiml on " . Itaclliiian: “You have good man." , _ _ .__

Premier Jonesifiure we have sooa filth-"WI win 1; .ii drop at '33" . "‘\'r.-19' W . . adininia the cos‘: of the Gov- Oriihdli ‘ as rdroarkably low; about-= -or-one-half of one

lug as-.vve.ua.koap. away. bay run into money

but the

HYDRO DRIVE) DIES [N D06 ‘

Hydro workers have recovered body of Albert Alcolr, 34, ad’ Mada,- wsska, who disappem-ed,in a deep bog five miles west of Ottawa while driving a 14-ton bulldozer. A hydro employee. he was trapped in his seat. His helper, Rayrnond Jerome. riding on the rear of the bulldozer, escaped, know how."