WEDNESDAY, , THE Jslialcgnrrarowlg ' GUARDIAN

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lixamination of statements made ' man to be asking for a break-down ,in the House of Commons by of the N. R. M. A. men by c e- q General A. G. L. McNaughton. gories." The total strength of the y v Minister of National Defense, 0n N.R.M.A. as of September 27. the I he subject of overseas reiriiorce- latest fl ure 1 have with me. was Distinguished Coats. . . . definitely outstand- ments: from the Hansard ofliclal sates. o whom 8.743 were on ex~ i i - u‘ | report. Nov. 2a. Continued rroni. tended leave. which leaves actuallv Ill! n au entle modern style and design. . . .

Jytiatgrdfiys Guardian. in the service 50,740. Oi that Th“; 5" ‘h. "Qua," Cflun u.“ w. luv".

. ackenaie King: At tlle be- number approximately 10,000 were ‘ of this afternoon's ses- trained as infantry and another you i0 800- 10d!!-

on. e leader of the opposition 26.000 were of an age and M9980?! -ssked that General McNaughtom; suitable ‘for infantry training So

lanswsl-s to questions be confined that the total tential lnninti-v Grsciously handsome . . . warm and richly » to today. I thought at that time in the N. R. M. A. ls the sum of lii"i.i“.s’°ti£?. “‘ii"i°“‘..l? time e."::.".-..".::.e""- {£213 ",' ~ "’,'°'“' °,' ,°"°'" "W ti“ “distribution as between the mem- are cons‘ cu to bc unsuitable a ' n pop“ at l“ ‘m ’ ' ‘ u.“ n. def‘ bers on different sides of the arid unavailable for infantry. lnltely superior costs that you'd be proud to ‘, House, and that the general would Mr. Caldwell: And is the low- own u"! >not be subjected to almost con- est category 3-2? What Will b0 welt‘

| tlnucus cross-examination by mem- the lowest category acce ted as

bers oi one articular group. I fl ior infantry service rl the am hoping at the chance will e? a 5| 75a $ be given members of the Co- Mr. McNaughton: We do the I l‘ o erstive Commonwealth Pedel-a- categories on what is known as the ton and those oi the Social Credit pulhems system~ With lhb CREP- group to ask questions as well as tion of a few tradesmen the mini- members of the official opposition. mllm Plliilelll-l Bfllegllfiefl 80%|?!‘ l do not wish to take up time in able for infantry for service in the answering questions at the present line are l-1-1 and 2-2-2-1. time. General McNaughton should Mr. Caldwell: What does that be given all the time he can pos- moan. precisely? - sibly have today, Mr. McNaughton: Tile pulheml But may I say a word with rei- categorization is a most carefully erellce to the question. There are worked out syfiiflh With the intro- some tillngs that can be done or ductlnn of which our own inedi- wlllch may be unnecessary at one cal officers, both here in Canada time which cannot be done or and overseas, had a great deal to _ which may “ecome unnecessary at do. It breaks the estimation oi a range suitable to any another. and if the government lnalrs illness down into all parts had attem ted to do a mon-th or of the body‘: for instance, “P" is Purse. two ago w at at that time did not physical: " " is upper body: "L" | appear necessary or what has been is the lower part of the body, and done today. I venture to say that so on. Unfortunately I have not ‘ its action would have frustrated ivlth lne at the moment the rather the ability oi the defence de art- thick pamphlet giving all the de- ' ment to give to the men fig ltlng toils. but I have sent for it and it on the other side the TElIlfOIC€~§\\'lLl be here in a few moments. ments needed at the time they may be needed, l Monthly Quotas _

Ml», cdldwelll; Quegugns Mr. Diefenbaker: There is one question I should like to ask in Mr, cqldwell; May 1 “l; the connection with the number oi Minister oi National Defence one Vbllilltary enlistments and the dis- or two questions? Will the estimate ‘Illa-TEES ill 30h 0i the months lfor reinforcements allow for leave llB€illhiIlE_ Wltil 13st June. I ask ‘to be given to the men who have for this information because in a l

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been continuously in the firing line "Wm bwllghl down some months ever since we invaded Italy. or B80. ill-ii lbefore the house ad- more recently ln France? Will the lWFllEd. it W65 stated that the ex- estlcmate of reirhforcements to be $551101 "Qilllllflfy enlistments over sen overseas a f Sc arges was some 5.400 d i lleave for those oilivien owhoprhgsle ‘he mimiils 0i March» Alifilularllg l borne the brunt d! the day? May. So that I would like the min- ltlill"ot‘éi°tlll.“lili’“g I “£13., ‘l? em i, eenas . e- o enumerw firs: so. my." ""12" “l? thwart: i: s‘ limit: anx ous o o r. an lagging?‘ lgizgeixllfzizigé tShomefofugur {ikillgigerngxftkglscharzes in each o? . ere or v. - years or more, away from that: Mr- McNaughton: I have under flanges. and we are most anxious my hand the figures for January. a those with such long service 1?“. to September. 1944. by months ?£‘.?.i“‘..?.ii.f...t“°. "a: ’ b: "t" “M t" o er aml es ~ §£§ll“‘"’v“JS’ l‘.%§.e”°.°.,"“‘i’§$."..Zf.§l .it"§'tl.§?.‘f‘i°.~’i‘;?"§ii.. hi3"... it‘?! GIVE lldl‘ h gift she'll before Christmas 450. That num- and? W43 have had’ the’ other ber was set purely by the exigen- figures. What I wish to get is the really use _ smooth cies of transportation. That is the "Bu" i0! the last three or four limitlnl factor. I am in great hgpeg months starting with June, separates! Frllly blouse that we may have larger numbers Mr. McNaughton: The total en- , d 1h :23. m::..l".r...".:; ma“ fii$°l'§.e‘%’es§““s°5f“ its“. 1" game w ' ' n as rans- '_ . ; ll. . i ‘i18- - ' """ """ . lstlfiitil. I o a. . . . a s e as g- “ for desk ‘l0 dates. a thfiegdrysldxeélihggqt galls] gamma? o; lug: I have. We have not Novem- ' H OW, - - l i118 in mind what the general 1K. Mr. Diefeiibaker: Would you give . g5} fights. orfeaggnéatbyle and pro- glelfpgziftlfiiirlliéfgg each of the cor- —- O ALSO 11f‘?- McNaughtonz Yes. Mr. McNaughton: I have been -— - _ r. Caldwell: -md.klng allow. able to give the enlistment; 1n itzsissitzirwts: Jami“ M" » l . - : a s t c a e ‘l ‘ HOUSECQATS the hon. member that thz flail-e: ‘figures with the datcgfllgve ill/ill? twere carefully studied by our mill- able here. In June tllcre were 4.- LINGERIE slay officers and. the general stuff 000 discharges; in July 3,400; in r HNGERIE FR ::...""i.:::':.:::“tii."2a §‘i‘it“‘"~r1'l2°°l..3?§. “i i - erence I - ave ere ‘ l , ONTS 9° iFltflWPorte-iglon take into ac- were rounded off for another pur-' HOUSE DRESSES lgglius '§l'§lr‘§ls§§i"v’§““ennl§‘ glam‘ poll/ii‘ Dlefenbaker" Have ou Oc V SWEATERS lie ahead, to the level which tober? ' y 'l iiulfiiliiilf°liiiildsiytélk" Phil"! o§l‘.§ise.“°’r“1‘i%l“f°i“v’ l?" “°‘ ‘ ' t 0 B , - 6 GIY appy £0 CREPE DRESSES tvihhile it varies from time to time, get it for you if you would 351; COATS Acre is some margin of again. tlht‘“h§n';‘“.ia32it.l%tl‘a2“' "t‘°“‘l”.° tehii ‘Zl°a"”il.“§if.’e‘.l ‘“°““‘ 11"“ ener no ' nyouro - v SPORT JACKETS themrliieture. We do not know with ion. or Whether you so .....€.2., I to)?’ i-lty what the lighting wlll the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie l , ,l , vie can only base it on p“; King). that ou believed or had ________________ filliflgflice. But that elcperlengg reason to bel eve that you could as een analysed and the great- secule a veiy large increase in en- est care has been put into these llsimelils limflng the N. R. M. A. A COM Yilllfefl. so that we believe that on liwvps? When was such a sug- PLETE thee average they are sound and lgvestllgéi glrst made to the Prime . n er

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LINE Mr. MN ht : Th 0F Asks For Figure; that I uhuildlgmgxlle to tflieanligfil.‘ ACCEssQRlEs m Caldwell I m8 . ihemgerulstthgt if 1 had not be- a I v s to the House, the “Ministfrméimlil” lwgr: openatotnfe lltlegglrlgesthallgleti-l.‘ Lit- tlonal Defence stated that there sunslon would yield the results I 51h h}: b9 important gaps in it would not have made that sug- SCARFS c he could not disclose in pub- gestlon.

_lic session. and he indicated one Mr. Dieferobaker: When was the

of those .11 i t1 . ' ~- - GLOVES Nlglhlgehifigllzife ligliii-ishepllgglfigf fnuglglgtseroxlfirglqcllgl? tlxevhlsllmgidliilllf c e an e ad a table under his’ deter know that he believed tht HANDBAGS 115ml In the light of the twu ihe could ‘make the voluntary syg- ‘ . ' 4 questions \___ e

I have asked regarding tem supply the necessary rein-

COLLARS leave and the margin of safety I forcements for the Canadian in- . think this House u htt ' , f tr '1 Wh tl n l CHARLOT ' --___.. m... 552522;: 1.2: ushers. that: is: “WW” P-E-l-

therefore ask the general under opinion? what conditions he would allow Mr. McNaughton: I can only

ggifelbfifi to have access to that glvetthg member an ilIJDflIiJX- t ind v . lma e a e rom memory ecause o uce them to enlist? th t I . one Mr. McNaughton; That par_lI have not kept a dlal-v of ll 1 Mn N-Mhwn. I w ‘d ~ a asked was this. What were slon I have formed is that with QU|CK[EQ B K R [d tlcul l bl . 1 H . - ~ u - Oil all)’ the coercive actions that h d b l d . ‘ Y en eyn‘) 9 thatarmi: ‘rang: wit? Whivh I felt ‘"1" d "ilk ilflm "lellivfy Sublet‘ l0 the hon. member that I had practised on these men that ‘tall’: laeeaalextlllalsg hlxfn tilllufillli ?gl‘dllll:l'%.

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session would like to haoiéildgnrtlig been about me last daynglfisgctgggl: igeialuilli; ‘ammtptifmwigat _was minister decided were not gains Mr. Diefenbaker: been prepared m such a way that M,‘ Diefenbflker. Abouz m“ ad“. and I n“ tamed ‘he ail];- to he continued any more? What istar conclude that there had not I can use it complete without anx- time ivas the first occasion on inite opinion that these me h‘ we" "m" "mm"? I “k m‘ m" mdml" hill“? r lety ln a session of that sort, which the minister had advised were in the NRMA undtsn lviag “l” w "°'""“ “h” “m” h" “"- Mimi"! W" I would ans- i . Mr. Coldwell: The hon. mem- the Prime Mlnistcr~ been pressed rather‘ than led It “ken ha‘ w" "NW w m“ ‘mummi- ber for Dufferln-Slmcoe lMr, Mr. Mackenzie King: May I sav seemed an attitude of mind which Mn (mauihwn: U the mm‘ ‘To B” cimilmled) Rowe) sug ested, when 1 asked to my hon, friend that 1 think this had m,“ u ‘own-d, mm, m 9., member Will Iii/t me a few min- -_______._._ Ehliekse quest ons, that I must havelministcr could glvc that lnforlila- quarters. 1 eard it on all sides Sig; 53a" h.“ the memmldum‘ | a

I over wth General Mcutlon bcst by reference to the da From the earll ' '

Naughton, May 1 say that 1 have on which hc was made mlnisieil: was called u nuttod-ztuudyhelthesg Mr‘ Dmenbuer: while m‘ mm" hub never SpOkelilul/O General McNaugh- The minister was sworn in on matters for t s laet war to study m" l‘ hlvilll fill“: information v

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ton in my . Thursdliv the 2nd of November. report and recommend what sholvd looked up m" h’ l m‘ " " _ Mr. Rowe: I never said tha. Mr. McNaughton: Yes. I see I be the b ‘. ‘will’ "1 h“ eumlmu 0i’ Y Beautiful fiflflfoflvlble l Mr. Caldwell: The hon. mgm- have a notc in this little diary. anizationaaflgr oithgurfuTillietarl llllgd howled“ “m” l“ “m,” part5 o . . B d J ber said I must have talked ll The conversation took place on formed the definite opinion vial, c’ 05mm" h‘ h“ °°m° l” m” ___

quilt“! Sal-m e 3c’ over with him, Tuesday, October 31. in this country we should rely.on conclmmn m” “mm h“ 5""

kt i I k d bl I Mn Rowe; Not with mm the voluntary system’ n "ruck used on the draftees who were D Iv The Canadian Pres;

e s n p n an ue. l vMr, (gfildwelliodl have tgllkgfl ll No Complete Record ,me that these people had been put “m” l“ ‘h’ “m”? "0' '3' 1 ‘i “Wk- _o er w no

. F. Mr. oNaughton: since I °d Kiel and Bremen in intensi i t ist tth ti h m‘ "mm" “l '° tliihiehtlgfhfitfsilsii magical: zgiqlalllltgnmkllglilallllsnwlgg will: ‘m’ °l "W"- Inga: '15:‘ ‘lelldailaythlrlgmtllllzgtslle lnlgrrl ahavts amillll eslltllgtltollllt Qt’: lftmIm J3¥Z’“{fle".‘,‘i..“';{,‘ Wm,“ l?“ have had very little opportehnlilfy T°°°“"i "id Wilmer» vbiectives of itions S‘! tlga tsort of political gtl-g- {wad lglgtififdlllhg the’ enlistment-s and them. and I felt mysolgogmplsatlgf an‘; ‘a: ‘zlggrmwluwhaa l-hgwwm §¥n°'ll1'l’s'tl'ni°§ gg-eéglidrllvigv? leg! e eteritwillb f t t? W850 Katha men ll thati “m- 1 rol- ' ' <' - House and the country, 1e wfil 32f from the N. R. M. A. men in gen- Boll“. n l" "max l” mm‘- foirr-tqn n“ A_ _ 50mm

in! ut th rt th t th ing to ask a question, but 1 see ll will M experienced by the depart- could play: we weoul’; have-a cog e tsnzlx gclclilzali. mgirtiflM N m Th w sldersble measure of success in - _' ' r. ou o: M115 l; __ r. c aug on: e answer d th . Mr. Speaker: It belrpigflsie; o'clock "l" qlllkitioil is. no. gsirilegllnsgrvicamorfoasvoluhm

1 mw luvs the chalk The you“ Mr. Dlefenbaker: I am askln t on more than one qgé-flqq m will resume at eight o'clock, "W" qileslivlls i" the purpose o take u voluntsrll the honou 'bl Ladies’ Ready-To-Wear l si o'clock the House look Bell“? ‘“’°’““"°“' Wm “mm, Ohlltifiitllsn s: serv ce. n ' P”Ints to Bronchlfls