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Mr. Montgomery, ‘The hon. tnermmber who has just sat down, has broadly accused some members on this side of the House, of now professing, and being guided by opinions, relative to the question now before the Com- mittee, very different from those which they formerly éntertained and upheld with reference to it. Bat f can tell that hon. gentleman, with respect to myself, that whatever change may have taken place in my opinions, it ig very far from being as great as that which has come over him and those with whom he acts, since he ceased to publish’ the Palladiom, What! now wish to see acconiplishe:!, is what, as a representative of the people, L have aiways desired, that is a proper representation of the conntry in the Legislative Council, |

Mr. D. Macdonald. ‘The appointment of a Committee

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by this [louse, to keep up a good carrespondence with! the other is altogether useless, if, at the same time, we!

take direet steps to ‘frustrate the object of thatappomt-!one, am a little too old and experienced. to be deceived leome into daily ‘contact with them. Tam at Toss to up

ment, by seeking’ a quarrel—to which this qnestion is:

“CHARLOTTETOWN, ?. E. ISLAND, SATURDAY. MARCH Ul, 1948...

posed, & great good will be obtained at a little cost. “he interests Of the people at large, ought to be repre- sented in the other House,as well as inthis ; but it cannot be maintained that such is the case, as that House is at present constituted. I am, as [ before said, altogether favourable to the measure; but | do not think it stiould be hurried on. 1 would first like to see the Despatch f have alluded to, in order to satisfy, my mind that the question does not involve a departure from a Colonial constitutional rule. en “Mr. Le Lacheur. Notwithstanding all that has been said in favour of the contemplated measure, | consider it a very lame way of Commencing reform. The learned member for Charlottetown, filled with his own conceits, which must find vent, is like a wind-blown. bladder which bursts, but harts no one. fF tad hoped’ he would have brought something forward to convince the country that they were deceived in him; for at présent they think it as probable, that the Ethiopian should change his hue or the Leopard his spots, as that anything should emanate from him, tending to their benefit. By his skill in mystifiestion, he thinks to blind out understanding: but fie is making the attempt tao fate in the diy, {for}

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Rae, instead of my colleague, who introduced the mea- sure, those who now oppose it would haye been found as strong in supporting it, . The hon. member was here interrupted by ironical cheers and laughter. These haying subsided, the hoa, member resumed. Yes, Sir, notwithstanding this merriment, T add that this question will try the put Be the party, on the opposite side of the Hoase; and, I think the excuse of the hon. em- ber for Prince County (Mr, ‘Rae) for not giving his rea- sons— who upon all questions is Sete so Huent—is, to say the least of it, an extremely poor one. As yet, [ have lieard no one pretend, that there are not, in the country districts, persons fit and proper to occupy seats inthe Legislative Council. ‘The excuse is, they cannot afford it. Let this measure become, law: then th g cuse will be done away with, and a great and desirable refurmn will be attained in that branch of the Legislature. it cannot be denied that the present body are composed of men of one mind, associating together from day to day, ahd year to year—men whose similarity of station end parsiits cannot, does not give them opportanity

hecome as good judges of the Wants and wishes of the people, as those who, from residence and. agcupation,

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derstand the meaning of one hon, member, aH Odes.

but too likely té lead—between thé: and ourselves. In his taunts to throw ts off our guird, and to betray n§ jag to the signs he fanejes he perceives in the grass, ind

1846, we thougiit the Council unjastly interfered with)

into hasty and unwise adaissions : bor. fso. | can tell! ” ,

cating & serpent to be there, and’ that this measure ig

our privileges, m attempting to disarrange our Appropria= fii he deceives bimself. Hf we are cautions end Silent, brought forward to sting some persons. T think it might

tion Bil; but, im the Jast Session, the attempt was not) renewed, and between the two Houses an neusial been pretty well seasoved by him, and shall pot now dj | fy

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, ‘ ’ it ray be thit we have good réason for being so. Theva]

ecually apply to the conduet of those who go with hin; he hiiselfadmits the principle, by saying he would

degree of unamunty prevanted. Tsay again, then, why!in the process: his sarcasis have po indie infaence diigo as fir as voting for the pay of the hon. Mr. Anderson try to apset this desirable state of things ; and, by duitie ine than water upon a duck’s baek. TP wish! to know the only comtry member now in the other House. f

so, mmpede the progress of the business of the country,

wherein @Xists the ¢ause for the motion, of why there}

sce sonyd principle and equality of justi¢e in plac.

for the furtherance of which we have been called towe-j should be Stronger reesons for bringife” torward the ings in the hands of fis Excellency, the power

ther? ‘Peotake up the question, as the House has-done,

i ‘ imeasare this year, than there was last.

fs the’constine-

hereafter to fill ap, from any part, of the Island, any

° ° ° ° . e.1 ye ie ; < : He ‘fa. efeth > )it i) Wis 9, ad | buvesbefore said, bevinning at the wiong. end 3) tion of the Legislative Council different now fran) what|vacaaciés ‘that may occur tt the Levistative Council ;

and [I shal), therefore, oppose its further consideration. Mr. Puimer.

fit was then ?- Certainly it is not. lam not aware, Siw, that any one 18} expected that we shail pot be cautious, and eydeavonr |

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and this, Sir, is my reason for suppc rting the measure, | Mr. Macintosh.” (set but Sittle value, Sit, on) what

seeking a quarrel with the other branch. At all-events./to penetrate the mystery which envelopes” the nrotives has fallen from the hon. member who has last ‘Rage

iknow that f am notdoing so. Bat if, inorder tobe at

peace, [ must*refrain from any attempts at sound lewis: |

of the advocates af the measure, .

The hon. Speaker reminded hon. members on the other |praeticeé'on his own; and that makes up the substance | is f r; et * ti} ‘ . ' * ‘ i Pats

cof is speech. T oppose the motion, Sir, on three g onnda

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jation, then, L say, let there be war; fur, at such a price,| side. that, in P8405 resolntion was moved atid eal,

bk would not purchase peace. f give the Legisiative

Counc! joy of their present supporters tn this onse, Hi snd that an Address to the Queen was founded there: | Necatlgay

| : i a . w iq t fees ; “ +) >. dom: ccondeamping the construction ofthe Legislative Comneil, | ist because the country. does not complain;

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lic meastires the action of this Side ofthe House by the

ountry. do iplain; secondly, Legislative Body itself does not complain;

9 really svonderful to contemplate the chanyes that the ipon, praying Her Majesty to cause several of its meni and, teirdly, beeanse the people would have to bear the

minds of. some men undergo. ‘That witch is now ex- hibited on the part of the members in epposition, is one of the mast extraordinary | have ever known, hon, geuticmen never before stood up to praise the Le-

Stet? Mid but, on all questions touching thai

ibers to be removed therefrom. “Phe majority tpon that

jeccasion were Messrs. Meintesh. Chirk. MePartane.

These | Young, Beek, Dinewell. Rae, Gorman, Praser. D. Me- the protection of their r

| Donald, Porbes, Le Lacheur. ‘She Speaker was about ito proceed with his remarks, when several voices cried

‘burden, and then they would complain, Talso oppose it

‘apon the principle that every law that is not wanted for ghts, is an infringement thereof,

anda restriction of their liberty, Rage on lbs

| Mr. Hugh Maedonald. ‘ihe people are of opinion, Sir,

ody, they were unsparing in their condenmation of it;/ont “Read the minority,” to which eonsentine, he read that measures for their benefit, proposed m this, House and ifthe journals were searched, it would be found|ihe names, Messrs. Hudson, Longworth, and Palmer |by their representatives, are frequently frustrated by the

that, atone“time, they supported resolmtions having for

\ Much Lavghter.—The Sovecker resumed. £ sanpose

‘Opposition offered to them by the other branch, in con-

their object the removal of every member of it, and its/those tive hom members, still in the Howse, whe thenjsequence of the ignorance of its members, with respect reconstruction upon the most liberal and popular princi-| voted in the majority, will now tell us that the? are pei ito the real wants and:grievances of the commtry—an ig-

ples. The bon. member for King’s County lays. great stress npon tire partiality of the measure, “ Why noi pay the wliole ?” says he. I reply, if he wishes the whole to be paid, let him submit a resolution to that. effect; I do not Know how far [may go;and will not, therefore, aay it should not have my support. It is uot fair to say that we are thoroughly wedded to the proposition now on the Table; and even if it be carried, as submitted, that will not prevent its being extended hereafier,if found to work well. I think the pruposition has been suffi- ciently discussed. I, therefore, move that, the question be now put.

fectly satisfied with the construction of the Legistativé Council, alttongh some of the formerly obnoxions in- dividuals yet remain in it, JT hope, Sir, the conntry will puta proper consiraction pon the opposition to. this measare. U detest the practice of blowme hot and cold with one breath, and am not in the habit of doing so.— (“ Hear! hear !”)—The measure contemplates giving to the people a stronger voice in the other branch than they now possess: and it cannot, therefore, be a just principle upon which it is opposed. ‘The hon. member

or shews how j}J-read he is jn the history of the partia-

for King’s County (Mr. Whelan) either forgets himself, |

norance which can be removed only by providing for the admission into that bedy of men from distant and different parts of the country. Measures affecting the whole Island, are frequently imtroduced by the members ‘of the Legislative Council; and, therefore, unless that ‘body consist of members from all parts of the Island, how is it likely that justice ean be done to all parties ? T péreeive, Sir, both the eqnity and justice of the mea- isure under consideration ; and I fee] surprised that any ‘Objection is offered. partienlarly by country members. Mr. Mooney. T ain not, Sir, tied to the skirts of any ene. T would scorn to be ‘tied even to the swallow-

Mr. J. Longworth begged leave to offer a few remarks! inentary proceedings of this Colony on the subject; and tailed skirts of the hon. and learned member for Charlotte-

before the putting of the question, and hoped the Com- mittee wou!ld not consider them as being offered in

{must beg to remind him that not only were complaints ‘sent home, but they were well received by Her Majesty ;

town( Mr.Palmer,) IT can,therefore,vote independently np-

onany question! But. 1 fear, there is some private piqne

opposition to the principle of the resolution, to which he!and three members were, in consequence, taken from) inthis business. Some members in the other og are not,

was altogether favourable. He, however, thought it right to state that he had his doubts whether it would not involve a constitutional principle, judging from a Despatch sent out to Nova Scotia relative to the propos- #] pay of the Legislative Council in that Colony, and disapproving of the measure. He was not, however, aware whether the question had there originated with “ouncil or the Lower House; but, he thought, Her Ma- testy’s Government might not have viewed it in the same light if it proceeded from the one, in which they would have regarded it had ‘it originated with the other. It seems to me, continued the hon. and learned member, ‘hat no one can be blind tothe benefits to the Colony at large, which would result from the establishment of the measure. I is tuose who live amongst the agrieulturists who musi be the most fitting persons to legislate fo; them. But how can it be expected that such persons to do will give their time, neglect their own business, relin qaish their domestic comforts, and also bear their own expenses into the bargain, How desirous soever. any one may be to serve his cayntry, to expect him to make so ‘aany Sacrifices would be most unreasonable. I ain satisfied, Sir, that by the

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sic Legislative Council fom the country, ag now pro-

ning of pay to members of

distant parts of the Island; but they. finding attendance upon their legislative duties to be attended with greater’ expenses, than they could prudently afford to defray out’ of their private means, soon resigned their seats, and again returned into private life: and now there is only one member of the Legislative Conneil who does not reside in or near to Town. I hope and trust gentlemen will ny aside party feeling, and decide upon the question according to its merits, and shew that they are acting consistently with their former acts relative to the con- struction of the Coune‘l Even in Nova Scotia, they tind great difficulty in continuing the old practice, with respect to the Legislative Council; and, in a late Des- petch, the Home Government recommended pay to sume part of the Executive Body in that Colony.

Mr. F. Longworth. cannot, Sir, refrain from ex- pressing my surprise at thedisposition, manifested by the other side, to oppose this question; and, when | see that this stand is taken by country members, who most of all, it is natural to suppose, would have given it their warm support, [ cannot help thinking it isa regard to men, and not to measures, by which they are guided. { hope fT may be excused and not considered too severe,

perhaps, subservient enougl to some in this. | wonder that the Jearned gentleman who has moved in this mnt- ter, being ‘so old a member, should never before ‘heve made the notable discovery that the Council did not do jtistice to the Country. Iwas pot. before, aware that he was so very anxions about the country interests; for I see,’ bya journal now in my hand, that, when the hon. member for Prinee Connty (Mr. Ree) moved for a small srant, to enable some pobdr farmers located in a beek settlement, to procure direct access to the main read, from which they were shut out, that he, the hon. and learned member (Mr. Palmer) voted against it.

Mr. Rae. Sir, notwithstanding the blastering and taunts, and imsinuations of the learned Dr. Conroy, f shall make but very few remarks. He, evidently, cares not how much he speaks or to how linle purpose. well knowing that the pen of a certain réady sertbe will come 10 his aid’ before publication; whilst, on the other hond [am sure to be représented as worsted by the same per and misrepresented, as has been the case lately rela- tive to the part [took on the Address in answer to the Governor's Sseech, and on other questions. There tas great deal of unfair reporting in the Tslander and Ga

when I declare that f yerily believe had it been Mr.

zette. Im reapect to this question, it has been secret!

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